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Qwen3.5-9B(Q4/6.6GB)にM1 Maxで日本語を書かせたら、答えは131字なのに出力は3936トークンだった

Qwen3.5-9B(Q4/6.6GB)にM1 Maxで日本語を書かせたら、答えは131字なのに出力は3936トークンだったHands-on testing of Qwen3.5-9B (Q4, 6.6 GB) on an M1 Max revealed that a…

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M1 Max 64GBでQwen3.5-9B Q4量子化モデルを実測したところ、短い日本語回答に対して数千トークンの過剰出力が発生し、「GPT-4超え」の主張は実環境では検証困難であることが示された。

Hands-on testing of Qwen3.5-9B (Q4, 6.6 GB) on an M1 Max revealed that a 131-character Japanese answer ballooned to 3,936 tokens, exposing a significant verbosity issue and making the widely-circulated "beats GPT-4" claim impossible to verify under real conditions.

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ローカルLLMの性能を巡る誇張気味の触れ込みを、手元の実機で冷静に検証した記録が公開された。「Qwen3.5-9BはQ4量子化・6GB弱のVRAMで日本語性能がGPT-4を超える」という界隈でよく見かける主張について、M1 Max 64GB搭載機で実際に何が起きるかを測った内容だ。

検証者はまず結論として、「GPT-4超えか」という問い自体は測れなかったと明言している。この主張を正しく検証するには大量の日本語プロンプトに対する人間評価が必要であり、比較対象のGPT-4に同一条件でアクセスすることも難しいためだ。代わりに記事が示したのは、M1 Max上でこのモデルを実際に動かしたときの実測値である。

その実測で浮かび上がったのが、出力の冗長さだ。最終的にわずか131字の日本語回答に対して、モデルは3,936トークンを費やしたという。回答本文に比べて生成量が極端に多く、実用面では応答時間やメモリ帯域への負荷という形で影響が出る可能性がある。

背景として、Q4はモデルの重みを4ビット精度に圧縮する量子化手法を指し、ファイルサイズとメモリ使用量を大幅に抑えられる。今回の6.6GBというサイズは、統合メモリを持つApple Siliconと相性がよいとされてきた。一方で、量子化や小型モデルが実際のタスクでどこまで通用するかは、こうした個別の実測を積み重ねないと見えてこない。

近年のモデルには、回答前に思考過程を長く展開する設計のものも増えており、トークン消費が膨らむ一因になっていると見られる。OllamaやLM Studioといったツールでローカル実行のハードルは下がったが、ベンチマークの数値やSNS上の評判をそのまま鵜呑みにするのではなく、自分の用途と環境で測ることの重要性を、この記事は改めて示している。

A recent hands-on write-up published on Zenn takes aim at a claim that circulates frequently in local large language model communities: that Qwen3.5-9B, running at Q4 quantization in just under 6 GB of memory, can match or even surpass GPT-4 on Japanese-language tasks. The author set out to test this on real hardware—an Apple Silicon M1 Max with 64 GB of unified memory—using a locally stored copy of qwen3.5:latest weighing 6.6 GB. The exercise matters because "beats GPT-4" taglines are common in this space, rarely verified under real conditions, and easy to accept at face value.

The headline outcome is a caveat rather than a confirmation. The author states plainly that whether the model "beats GPT-4" could not be measured. A credible verdict would require human evaluation across a large set of Japanese prompts, and the comparison is further complicated by the practical difficulty of accessing GPT-4 under identical conditions. What the test could measure was something more concrete: what actually happens when you run this model on an M1 Max.

Here the numbers are striking. A Japanese answer that amounted to only 131 characters consumed 3,936 tokens to produce. That gap between a short final response and the volume of tokens generated exposes what the author frames as a significant verbosity issue. In practical terms, the model appears to spend a large amount of computation and output on intermediate text before arriving at a brief conclusion, which directly affects latency and throughput on local hardware regardless of how "smart" the final answer may be.

Some context helps explain why this can happen. Many recent models, including those in the Qwen family, support reasoning or "thinking" behavior in which the model generates extended intermediate steps before producing a concise answer. When that mode is active, the token count for a task can balloon far beyond the length of the visible response. The 131-character-to-3,936-token disparity is consistent with that pattern, though the write-up focuses on the observed measurement rather than attributing a single definitive cause.

The setup also illustrates several prerequisite concepts worth understanding. Q4 quantization compresses a model's weights to roughly four bits of precision, shrinking its memory footprint so it can fit in a few gigabytes and run on consumer machines. That is what allows a 9-billion-parameter model to occupy about 6.6 GB. Apple Silicon is well suited to this because its unified memory architecture lets the GPU address the same large memory pool as the CPU; on a 64 GB M1 Max, memory capacity is not the binding constraint, so the practical limits are more about speed and output efficiency than about whether the model loads at all.

The tooling around this ecosystem is relevant background too. The qwen3.5:latest naming convention is characteristic of Ollama, a popular front end that packages models for local use and sits atop inference engines such as llama.cpp. On Macs, Apple's MLX framework offers an alternative optimized path for running quantized models. These tools have made it dramatically easier to download and run capable models offline, which is precisely why community claims about their quality spread quickly and why independent, reproducible measurements remain valuable.

Japanese adds its own wrinkle to benchmarking. Tokenization does not map neatly to characters, and Japanese text can be tokenized less efficiently than English depending on the vocabulary, so token counts and per-character costs are not directly comparable across languages. Standardized Japanese evaluation suites such as JGLUE exist for more rigorous scoring, but they still cannot resolve the GPT-4 comparison the way informal claims imply, since the two systems run under different conditions and access constraints.

The broader takeaway is a measured one. The article does not declare Qwen3.5-9B good or bad, nor does it dismiss the "beats GPT-4" assertion outright; it simply demonstrates that the claim is difficult to verify in a real local environment and that verbosity is a concrete, observable cost. For readers weighing local models, the lesson is likely that quantization and memory fit are only part of the picture. Output efficiency, reasoning behavior, and reproducible measurement matter just as much as headline capability claims, and they are far easier to check on your own machine.

ポコとTECHガイドPoko & TECH Guide

ポコと当サイトのTECHガイドが、記事の要約と収集した情報から読みどころを語るAI生成の対話です。Poko and TECH Dashboard's own TECH Guide discuss the article's highlights in an AI-generated conversation based on its summary and collected source details.

  1. ポコPoko131字の日本語回答なのに3936トークンって、どういうこと? Q4量子化もよく分からない!How did a 131-character Japanese answer turn into 3,936 tokens? And what does Q4 quantization mean?
  2. TECHガイドTECH Guide簡単に言うとじゃな、Q4は精度を落としてモデルを小さくする方法じゃ。記事ではM1 Max 64GBで、短い回答なのに過剰出力が起きたそうじゃよ。Put simply, Q4 reduces numerical precision to shrink the model. According to the article, it produced excessive output for a short answer on an M1 Max with 64 GB.
  3. ポコPokoそれって何が問題なの? よく言われる「GPT-4超え」も間違いだったってこと?Why is that a problem? Does it mean the “beats GPT-4” claim was wrong?
  4. TECHガイドTECH Guideそこは否定ではなく「測れなかった」じゃな。記事によれば、多数の日本語プロンプトの人間評価と、同条件のGPT-4が必要だったんじゃ。Not disproved—just unverified. The article says it would require human evaluation across many Japanese prompts and access to GPT-4 under the same conditions.
  5. ポコPokoなるほど! 今回分かったのは賢さの勝敗じゃなく、実機では短い答えでも出力が大きく膨らんだことなんだね。Got it! This test didn’t settle which model is smarter; it showed that a short answer could balloon into a huge output on real hardware.
  6. TECHガイドTECH Guideその通りじゃ。今後比較するなら、記事が挙げた大量の評価と同条件の比較をそろえ、触れ込みと実測値を分けて見るのが大切じゃよ。Exactly. Any future comparison would need the article’s proposed large-scale evaluation and matching conditions, while keeping promotional claims separate from measured results.
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